I do also believe that God divinely still looks after Israel and protects it, but this is never a justification of any of Israel’s past or present acts.. Now for many decades I too have studied the Bible and the prophetic scriptures, dispensational views related to Israel too.. It is unbelievable, undeniable that the professing Christian people who do not know the Bible can be so easily deceived, led astray too by many others, pastors and Jewish persons, Zionists included.. And had most people most Christians read the Bible for themselves they would have known the whole truth and would not have been so easily misled by others. http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/what-does-the-word-chosen-mean-in-the-bible/
BUT WHO IS THE ONE CAUSING ALL THE EVANGELICAL EVEN DISCREPANCY ON THE SUBJECT NOW STILL? THE DEVIL.
(1) Did Israel ever possess all the land God promised? NO!
(2) Did God place conditions on this possessing? Yes!
(John 18:36 KJV) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
And the false Jewish supporters can solely refer to the Old Testament verses now such as Jeremiah Chapter 31, Joel 3:2, Amos 9:15 and Psalm 83: for they undeniably have no New Testament substantiations, support for Israel’s return or possession now of the past promised land.
THE PROPHET MOSES HIMSELF WAS NOW DENIED ENTRANCE TO THE PROMISED LAND FOR HIS OWN SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE NOW EVEN IN STRIKING THE ROCK TWICE INSTEAD OF ONCE AS HE WAS COMMANDED BY GOD TO DO SO. Next SO IS THE VALID, LEGITIMATE PRESENT ENTRANCE OF THE JEWS TO THE PROMISED LAND NOW ALSO BEING DENIED BY GOD FOR THEIR OWN LACK OF FULL OBEDIENCE TO ALL OF GOD’S COMMANDMENTS, HIS WORDS TO THEM..
And as we all do know the main temple in Jerusalem was fully destroyed to the ground in 70 AD by the Romans, as well as all of the temple records there in, so no one any longer can validate his Jewish ancestry or birth rights even.
THE NEW TESTAMENT DOES NOT talk about the Jews return next third return to it too. But God still wants the Jews and Palestinians brothers to live in peace together.
Many evangelicals do now support a two-state solution and creation of a new Palestinian state that includes the vast majority of the West Bank. They support justice for both Israelis and Palestinians. If all of the learned men are going to be truly historically honest, surely they must admit that the Jews have every right to inhabit the land of their fathers, the covenant land given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by none other than God himself and admit that right was the same God who took the right next away from them, from that land now twice too…
Jews will always be far from any right to the the promise land because of all their own unrepentant SINS, ACTS, even the blood shed of many others that they have killed from generations to generation even the shed blood of Jesus. (Mat 23:38 KJV) Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
All geopolitical rights promised in the old covenant have been cancelled and that the best that Israel can hope for now is to be part of the new people of God, the church, but without a distinct nationality, land, or statehood. There is no land promise awaiting the Jewish people in the future. The Hebrew people lost their deed to material territory as a result of their spiritual rebellion, which was consummated by their murder of the Messiah. (Josh 23:15 KJV)
People also do still lie when they say the land was given unconditionally to Israel.. God said he would not break his promises, but the people had to live up to their part still.
GOD GIVES AND GOD TAKES AWAY. AND IN THE NEW TESTAMENT ISRAEL IS DEFINED NOW ALL ENCOMPASSING TO INCLUDE THE GENTILE BELIEVERS.
Now any one who looks at the subject of prophecy, a real genuine Bible student knows that too many Jews ,who can only use the old testament, and there is almost no new testament substantiation for it, still the Jews, and many others have wrongfully now Distorted Biblical Prophecy Interpretation after the time of Jesus Christ to suit their false Jewish’s ends, a Jewish purpose, for they like Judas they betray Jesus Christ by these acts for Jesus next made it clear the second Jewish Kingdom of God was not in this world..
There is no land promise awaiting the Jewish people in the future. The Hebrew people lost their deed to material territory as a result of their spiritual rebellion, which was consummated by their murder of the Messiah. (see Joshua 23:15-16).
The only hope now for those of Jewish background is in the gospel of Jesus Christ (Romans 1:16-17). The Jews alone have by their return to Israel have usurped the authority of the Lord God of Hosts Himself, who alone has the right to give and take away the land of Israel as so far there is no New testament word confirming any of it’s return.. …the Land belongs now to Jesus Christ alone and his bride the Church… it is all his, he had undeniably bought it with his life and redeemed it alone!
The two questions answered about Israel’s promised land.
How you get there is as important as where you are going. For all of Today’s Jews included. Ask also now Moses and all the people of Israel who missed the promised Land cause they had simply refused to do it God’s way.
(Prov 31:8 KJV) “Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction. 9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.” To be able to judge righteously, though, the Church itself and the Preacher now must be also righteous.
Don’t also falsely ask me to take sides in the Jewish Arab Conflict cause neither side is in the right firstly these days too.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. (Romans 1:16-17)
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. (1 John 5:10-12)
Thus you whether Jew or gentile now only you are either a believer in Jesus Christ, with the witness of the Holy Spirit, and you have eternal life in Christ, or you are an unbeliever in Jesus Christ without eternal life, going to Hell. There also is no other Gospel in the New testament, New Covenant as well. For nearly two thousand years people by the millions have trusted in Jesus Christ, and have thus received eternal life, while other people by the billions have refused the counsel of the New Testament scriptures, and have thus have for certainty received the damnation of hell, eternal separation from the one and only true God..
Pastors do you have one, one New Testament verse that confirms Israel’s present return and possession of the Promised land. I am not aware of one, If you do which one is it?
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/messianic-judaism-today/ THE LYING MESSIANIC JEWS, JUDASES, WHO PREACH PARTIALS TRUTHS AND NEW TESTAMENT BIBLICAL DISTORTIONS ARE NOT THE REAL CHRISTIANS WHO WILL GO TO HEAVEN, BUT ARE THE NON CHRISTIANS WHO WILL GO TO HELL EVEN WITH THE UNSAVED JEWS WHO REJECTED JESUS CHRIST THE MESSIAH
The only main portion of the Bible that you really need to read, to follow is the New Testament because we are no longer under Old Testament covenant, law – essentially the the New Testament replaces the basic requirements of the Law and the Prophets of the Old Testament. Believers should still embrace the whole Word of God but now they do not follow the non applicable old testament laws, rituals. The Old Testament has been superseded by the New Testament. We are not under the old testament laws but under those laws solely in the new testament… the law of the spirit..(Rom 8:2 KJV) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
The sole basis of the Christian faith today, which is why it is also called the New Testament as well, is not at all the Old Testament Judaism but the New Testament Jesus. The true Christians since Jesus Christ next always left their old Jewish Synagogues all together… and all Christian Jews, Messianic Jews too need to do this today as well, also they are supposed to give up their Jewish roots, Jewish culture, Jewish religion when they accept Jesus Christ as their master, lord and savior . Some clerics, theologians, and scholars have worked hard to recover the supposedly historical Jewish Jesus. why? Ironically this rather was aided also by the Jews, Judiazers, even the false christians themselves who falsely wanted it seems to promote their own self importance, the false value of the now rather false, obsolete old Judaic religion, and it’s also still the false observation of the Old testament letter of the law over the New Testament spirit of the law approach. It is an ungodly act still too.
(Acts 20:29 KJV) For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. (1 Tim 4:1 KJV) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Old Israel being God’s people for they still will go to hell LIKE MANY PROFESSING CHRISTIANS WILL if they personally reject Christ and do not continue to follow after him. (Mat 7:21 KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Rom 2:9 KJV) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: